Previous Entry | Next Entry

Jan. 31st, 2006

Froggy Cocksucker!!!!!!
EDITED TO ADD: I am really enjoying the (polite) (rational) (respectful)discussion going on in the comments. You guys (regardless of political views) ROCK.

From my NARAL peeps this morning:


Dear Mali,

Let's not sugar-coat it: this is a bad day for our nation, and the American values of freedom and privacy.

With the confirmation of Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court, President Bush and his anti-choice allies now have enough votes on the Court to dismantle a woman's right to choose. And there are more than a few upcoming court cases that the new anti-choice majority on the Supreme Court could use to undermine reproductive freedom and privacy.

After so many of you fought so hard and did so much to prevent this confirmation, I can't pretend this isn't a discouraging moment.

But despite how we feel now, this is not the end. It's a challenge to be sure. Yet, we must see this moment as an opportunity to reconnect with the reason we started fighting in the first place. We've learned some hard lessons this past year. But this challenge must inspire us toward victory in the future.

If you're like me, you believe in an America where people have the freedom to take responsibility for their own lives -- without government interference. That is the America I want to live in, and we'll need you to join us in fighting to take it back.

Here's how we can get started...

First, we must take a good hard look at the latest Supreme Court confirmation battle that ended today. Of course the big question is: why did we lose? One word sums it up: numbers. While a strong majority of Americans believe in a woman's right to choose, we don't have the majority in the Senate.

There is a silver lining, though. While we lost the confirmation battle, we have significantly added to the numbers of active pro-choice Americans who can help us win back the Senate.

As one of our most loyal activists, I'm asking you to be a part of our game plan for 2006. We're focusing our efforts to turn today's lessons into pro-choice victories by...

Electing pro-choice senators in 2006. To quote pro-choice Sen. Barack Obama: "There's one way to guarantee that the judges who are appointed to the Supreme Court are judges that reflect our values. And that's to win elections."

Preventing unintended pregnancies and reducing the need for abortion with our nationwide Prevention First campaign.

As we put our priorities into action, one thing is certain: we can't succeed without you by our side. You are our partner in this struggle, and your dedication, creativity, and ideas are our most valuable resource. So, today I'm asking you to share your thoughts with your fellow pro-choice Americans.

Here are a few ways we're hoping you will give us your input as we begin this new day:

Ask me anything you want to know about our plan for 2006. Write me at CAN@prochoiceamerica.org with the subject line "Ask Nancy" and I'll be answering your questions throughout next week.

Join the discussion on our blog. Our resident blogger Jessica will be leading online discussions about what this confirmation means, how we can keep up hope, and what we're going to do next. Check it out now at www.bushvchoice.com.

Say it loud and proud: "I am Pro-Choice America." Check out our online photo gallery of Americans around the country who have joined our "We Are Pro-Choice America" slideshow -- then add your photo as well!

As you reflect on today's challenges and look forward to fight for the victories ahead, I want to thank you again for all the work you continue to do to protect a woman's right to choose.


My Best,

Nancy Keenan
President, NARAL Pro-Choice America


I am quite depressed today. It saddens me that our country's "most important" court is so partisan and is becoming more so. In my fantasy-world, if there were to be partisan folks on the supreme court, there would be a limit EITHER WAY. No more than 3 of ANY party. So don't be telling me I'd say something different if Alito was really liberal. I admit that I wouldn't be so terrified for my country's future as I am right now, but I think a good set up would be 3 conservative, 3 liberal and 3 moderate. But then, I also don't think the president should be the one picking the judges. Don't start me.

One thing I was thinking about the other day is that it's interesting that states and cities and such across the nation are enacting more and more "liberal" policies (such as Washington passing the law making it illegal to discriminate on sexual indentity) while big national government and the president are becoming more and more conservative.

Do I think that the US will re-ban abortion in my lifetime? I fear so. This would be a sad day indeed.

*sigh*

Some days it's hard to keep fighting - ya know? Some days I really WISH I was UberBornAgainRightWingChristian so that all these trends would make me happy. I'm so tired of being the small dissenting party.

I also wish I could at least UNDERSTAND why people think that way.


Even MORE mind-boggling: I wish I understood the midset of not caring about the environment. I just DON'T GET IT. How can people not care? How can the price of gas be more important to people than air quality? Why do people not care that more and more children have asthma each year? How can people deny global warming or claim that it's not a big deal?

EVEN MORE MIND-BOGGLING: How can people who do CLAIM to care about these things still vote for people like Bush?

I DON'T GET IT.

If someone walks up to me and says "I'm pro-life, for big corporation and don't care about destroying Alaska to drill for oil, so I voted for Bush" that makes sense to me and I can politely disagree. It's the folks who say "I DO care about the evironment but I still voted for Bush" that make no sense to me.

None of them can ever explain it either.
Has anyone else noticed this?

If anyone needs me, I'll be crying in the bathroom.

Tags:

Comments

( 102 comments — Leave a comment )
[info]mariquita wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 07:12 pm (UTC)
I've already done my crying.

No, wait...

*tears form*

Dammit!

With that aside, yeah, I've had this feeling of dread ever since I heard Alito would be confirmed.
[info]deliciouspear wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 07:18 pm (UTC)
*HUGS*

I will give you extra hugs on Saturday.

And tell Justin I have cheetos just for him & me.
[info]deliciouspear wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 07:19 pm (UTC)
Also, have I ever told you how cool I think you are?

I think you're way stronger, smarter and prettier than you give yourself credit for.
[info]mariquita wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 08:38 pm (UTC)
Are you talking to me...?

*blush*

Thank you!

Can't wait to see you Saturday! :)
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
[info]fear_the_cow wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 07:17 pm (UTC)
Bell Curve
My answer to this has always been "the bell curve". Specifically in regards to basic intelligence. A very high percentage of the people who think like you (and me) are above average intelligence. We are smart people who can think rationally and logically. We need proof for things being the way they are and don't use "faith" as a catch-all explanation.

The problem is, there are a lot of people behind us who are...lets face it...stupid. They are easily led and will blindly follow anyone who can make an argument that tugs at their emotions, rather than their intellect.

Unfortuneately, we will alwys be at the top end of the bell curve. We will demand rational and logical explantions for things. But those less fortunate in the IQ department will always outnumber us and will cause us to tear our hair out in frustration at their idiotic reasons for doing what they are doing.

What I don't understand though, are the smart ones who are leading the idiots in these agendas. Those people scare me. I mean, they should know better, but they still march on with millions of blind followers. Scary.
[info]deliciouspear wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 07:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Bell Curve
The thing is, I don't think it *IS* stupidity. I know way too many REALLY SMART people who voted for Bush.

However, as I said before, they can't seem to give me "real reasons." They can say things like "I think he's better for the economy" but if I ask "HOW is he better" I cannot get an answer.

And I'd say only about 3% even bother to answer withthat. Mostly it's "he was better than Kerry!" "Why?" "He just was!" (more often than not followed by "I don't like to argue about politics!")

I think it's easy to say "Liberals are smarter" because it gives us something to hang on to. We may lose every fight - but at least we're the smart ones. But I don't really think it's true. I know plenty of stupid democrats and plenty of smart republicans.

What I don't understand is how such smart people can support someone who IS so stupid.
[info]velvetpage wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 11:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Bell Curve
I think it's wrong to characterize all thinking people as being dictated by reason more than by emotion. The fact is, emotion plays very nearly as big a role in decision-making for smart people as it does for idiots. The difference lies in what you get emotional about, and how much you try to justify it.

I can't argue much about American politics, seeing as how I'm not American. I have a gut reaction of disgust and dislike for Bush, and I can point to some things he's done that I hated - but I'm sure some republicans can point to similar things about Democrats, so. . .
[info]vacheestfachee wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 07:22 pm (UTC)
Thanks for helping me not feel alone... I was hoping that there'd be at least one other person out in LJ land who was pissed about Alito.

I'm wondering how much our country has to go to hell before enough people get up and do something about it... and if there will be things left to do when we do.
[info]deliciouspear wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 07:30 pm (UTC)
You're welcome. *HUG*

I keep thinking that unless something "really drastic" happens, the USA WON'T wake up. Things are just getting erroded bit by bit.

People don't see, for example, that making parental notification MANDATORY for an abortion is the top of a slippery slope, they just say "Well they aren't banning abortion!"

BUT then something drastic DOES happen like NO WMDs or Katrina and people STILL DON'T WAKE UP.
[info]vacheestfachee wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 07:23 pm (UTC)
Oh, also: I love the 3/3/3 idea for the Court. Very balanced. :)
[info]deliciouspear wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 07:30 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I have all sorts of ideas like that, but no one listens to me.

*grin*
[info]girljim wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 07:51 pm (UTC)
On the other hand, Brokeback Mountain was nominated for a bunch of Oscars, and may actually win some of them.

It's a balancing act: as the general population moves forward, there will be a section of the populous that fears change, and will cling to the reactionary status-quo as long and as hard as they can. In the end, we'll win; I have no doubt of that. The real question is, "how long will it take"?

Women can own and inherit property now. People of African decent hold positions of power, both in the small and large scale. When you apply for college, they care about your pocketbook, not your father's last name. Being divorced no longer means that you're evil. And they show same-sex couples kissing on TV now. It's been slow, but progress is always being made.
[info]procyon112 wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 09:30 pm (UTC)
I am quite a bit more conservative than you, and I also understand the further-conservative-mentality-than-myself pretty well, so I have a few answers, and a few honest to goodness questions that are NOT meant to be attacking or inflamatory... I have the same problem as you, but on issues that you seem to feel strongly in and I cannot understand the stance you take. First the answers and comments from my side:

I understand your desire for a "balanced" court, but I think it is unrealistic. People don't wear a big sign on their head that identifies them legally as fitting into a specific "thought pattern" that we can then segment and legislate. People are people and will vote their concience, and we can try to predict what their concience will tell them, but we certainly can't legislate on those predictions any more than we can arrest "potential criminals" based on some kind of test. Being as the only power that this court has is the power to throw laws out, not generate new ones, it's really the legislators passing bad laws you really need to watch out for anyway.

Secondly, UberBornAgainRightWingChristian are not the norm. Most conservatives are simply conservative, and it has nothing to do with religion. The only reason you see so many UberBornAgainRightWingChristian is because just like the Cindy Sheehans of the world, they babble so loud the rest of us can't hear each other :)

(multi-part)
[info]procyon112 wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 09:30 pm (UTC)
OK. Environmental issues. Conservatives DO care about the environment. Bush himself has loosened restrictions on harvesting some wood in national forests, a move he is attacked by many environmentalists for supporting. The fact is though, that this was done based on modern studies that showed that overpopulated forests were detrimental to ecological health and unnatural because human protection of the forest eliminates their only natural enemy, fire, and by doing so makes the forests into huge explosive, unhealthy, disease ridden tinder piles. Other environmental issues he supports (probably, as I'm not absolutely sure of his stance on some of these) is GM foods, but precisely BECAUSE of environmental reasons because it allows more food to be grown with less resources and therefore farming has a smaller ecological impact. Conservatives have generally lived up to their namesake environmentally, taking the stance of not doing anything unless the environmental benefits were absolutely clear. Jumping right in and trying to fix things before they are understood completely (like environmentalists protecting deer and caribou) often causes MORE damage. Additionally, the most effective environmental strategy the conservatives have tried to stick with, which also happens to be by far the most effective factor in environmental health, is ensuring the economic health of the country above just about everything. Looking around the world and throughout modern history there has been one glaring relationship that is always apparent: There is an inverse relationship between the wealth of a population and it's pollution levels. The wealthier people are, the cleaner they are. This is because they have options that empoverished people do not, and even though those options cost a bit more, they lead to a higher standard of living and therefore are either purchased privately or enforced publicly. IMHO, planting trees is negligable to the envoronment (and potentially harmful if not done correctly) whereas making the populace wealthy nearly eliminates pollution. Did you know that one invention outshines all others by far in the history of the world in reducing pollution and cleaning up the planet? The automobile. That's non-inuitive, but environmentally things aren't always as they appear at first glance. Higher incidences of diseases are a big concern for both parties, and I don't think there is much evidence of either one sluffing their duties there. As for global warming? Well, it's not really deniable, no. There has been a distict trend of warming over the past century. What *IS* highly questionable is where it comes from. We certainly have our theories, of which man-produced causes are one, but on the other hand, we have lots of other theories too. First off, we have observed Mars warming at a similar rate as the Earth over the last few decades. We obviously aren't causing THAT. The Earths temperature has fluctuated wildly in the past, as we can see from polar core samples, and recently we have been in a relatively stable period. What is also unclear is whether global warming is even a bad thing. The far north is showing signs of advancing glaciation and cooling, perhaps a precoursor to an ice age. If man made global warming is a reality, perhaps it is actually keeping the natural ice cycle in check and allowing us a more stable climate for the time being. Also, if the planet heated by a few degrees it would open up the widest area of land in the planet that is currently virtually unused (northern Canada and Asia) and even possibly open the fabled northwest passage allowing new shipping lanes, so it's not all bad news. Global warming is a complex issue in that we 1) Don't know what is causing it 2) Don't know if it's natural 3) And even if we did know these things we have no clue how to stop it.
[info]procyon112 wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 09:31 pm (UTC)
So, why did people vote for Bush? Because it a commonly held belief that Kerry was one of the biggest baffoons the Democrats ever tried to run. The man couldn't answer a question straight, had no solid positions on just about anything, presented no reasonable plan of action for the country and couldn't even distinguish what plans he did have from those of his opponent to any large degree. His main campaign slogan was something to the affect of "Hey, at least I'm not that Bush guy" which doesn't go over very well with anyone but the political cheerleaders. You might not like Bush, but at least you know what he's about as he has done a very good job of advertising that. Now I didn't vote for Bush, but he was my second choice, and was miles ahead of Kerry and light years ahead of Nader in my opinion.

So anyway, MY big question is on this whole abortion thing. First off, where is the passion. I mean really, I'm pro-choice, but come on. It's not a procedure the majority of women undertake for one. For two, you DO NOT have unrestricted rights to your own body and neither does anyone else. You can't smoke pot, you can't do any number of drugs, even beneficial ones without a permission slip from your government appointed medical representative. You can't have any number of surgeries even WITH a permission slip. You have to wear seatbelts in your car. You aren't allowed to commit suicide, and you sure as hell aren't allowed to let someone else do it. So what is it about abortion as a medical procedure that gets the pro-choice group so riled up?? I mean, I totally understand the pro-life's reasoning. They believe that life begins at conception, so if you terminate that life, in their mind YOU'RE KILLING BABIES. So, agree with them or not, it's easy to understand how they can be passionate about it. But the rabid passion of the other side I just can't see.
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:40 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:45 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:49 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:49 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:47 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:49 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:50 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:51 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:55 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:58 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Jan. 31st, 2006 10:03 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 10:10 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Jan. 31st, 2006 10:14 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:51 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]girljim - Jan. 31st, 2006 10:58 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 11:03 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]girljim - Jan. 31st, 2006 11:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 11:40 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Jan. 31st, 2006 11:40 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]girljim - Jan. 31st, 2006 10:45 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Jan. 31st, 2006 11:03 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 11:05 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Jan. 31st, 2006 11:06 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]girljim - Jan. 31st, 2006 11:47 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 11:53 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]girljim - Feb. 1st, 2006 03:48 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Feb. 1st, 2006 04:49 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]velvetpage - Feb. 1st, 2006 12:30 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Feb. 1st, 2006 12:34 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]velvetpage - Feb. 1st, 2006 12:46 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 1st, 2006 04:54 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]girljim - Feb. 1st, 2006 03:53 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 1st, 2006 05:26 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]girljim - Feb. 1st, 2006 05:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 1st, 2006 05:56 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 2nd, 2006 05:30 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 2nd, 2006 05:25 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]velvetpage - Feb. 1st, 2006 12:26 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 1st, 2006 06:03 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]velvetpage - Feb. 1st, 2006 11:16 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 2nd, 2006 12:20 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]velvetpage - Feb. 2nd, 2006 01:11 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 2nd, 2006 01:26 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]velvetpage - Feb. 2nd, 2006 03:24 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 2nd, 2006 07:44 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 4th, 2006 05:21 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 4th, 2006 12:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 1st, 2006 04:58 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 1st, 2006 05:07 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 1st, 2006 05:11 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 1st, 2006 05:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Feb. 1st, 2006 05:39 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 1st, 2006 05:47 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 1st, 2006 08:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 1st, 2006 09:07 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 2nd, 2006 05:33 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 2nd, 2006 07:48 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 1st, 2006 08:41 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Feb. 1st, 2006 09:55 pm (UTC) - Expand
[info]deliciouspear wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 09:36 pm (UTC)
"really the legislators passing bad laws you really need to watch out for anyway."

Which is why I campaign with and volunteer my ass of for local legislators that I like.
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 09:38 pm (UTC) - Expand
[info]goldfish42 wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 10:02 pm (UTC)
Do either of you mind if I join this discussion? I'd really like to try to understand, but I usually find that the conservatives I try to ask questions of are blindly following and are not able to give me any reasons for their choices. Someone who is clearly intelligent is offering to talk about the issue!?
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 10:06 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Jan. 31st, 2006 10:07 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 10:11 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Jan. 31st, 2006 10:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]deliciouspear - Jan. 31st, 2006 10:52 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]girljim - Jan. 31st, 2006 11:01 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Jan. 31st, 2006 11:25 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 1st, 2006 04:47 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 1st, 2006 04:51 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 2nd, 2006 05:35 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 2nd, 2006 07:51 am (UTC) - Expand
[info]goldfish42 wrote:
Feb. 1st, 2006 05:14 am (UTC)
I want to preface this by saying that I like to be shown that I'm wrong, and exactly why, and what is correct. It is by this that I grow. Please, do! really, I mean it!
[info]procyon112 wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 09:53 pm (UTC)
I have no idea. I got mine about 5 years ago and there was a release I had to sign swearing that my wife knew... or she had to sign it, I don't remember which.
[info]deliciouspear wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 09:59 pm (UTC)
That's ridiculous.

completely and utterly ridiculous.

I mean, when you get married all they make you sign (in Washington) is a statement saying that if you have any diseases your partner already knows - what are they going to do - arrest you for not telling her?
[info]asqmh wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 11:27 pm (UTC)
Talk about conflict: try being a Southern female Christian who wouldn't vote for Bush if someone held a gun to her head.

"Conflicted" doesn't begin to describe the way it feels. Because here, of course, "real Christians" are republican. Though I can't for the life of me figure out how. It's my freakin' Christian principles that keep me so far from the Bush camp. More than anything else, God said to take care of the widow, the orphan and the alien who dwells among you. Bush's America seeks to strip all of the above of any sort of help or hope.

Okay, okay. I'm done ranting.

*sigh*

*kicks Alito*

Okay, NOW I'm done.
[info]deliciouspear wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2006 11:34 pm (UTC)
I love you Q-bugs!
[info]goldfish42 wrote:
Feb. 1st, 2006 08:10 am (UTC)
If someone walks up to me and says "I'm pro-life, for big corporation and don't care about destroying Alaska to drill for oil, so I voted for Bush" that makes sense to me and I can politely disagree. It's the folks who say "I DO care about the evironment but I still voted for Bush" that make no sense to me.

For a while I dated a guy who was pro-military (including the use of force to get economic power abroad, and the use of "preemptive force"), pro-life, and a staunch Republican. He was also poly, pagan, kinky, and poor and unemployed. I never did get that. (Yes, it was an odd relationship.)
[info]deliciouspear wrote:
Feb. 1st, 2006 04:44 pm (UTC)
Exactly. I know several gay pagans who voted for Bush.

Myself, I couldn't vote for someone who called my sexual orientation wrong and stated that my religion was not a real religion.
[info]procyon112 wrote:
Feb. 1st, 2006 09:12 pm (UTC)
Depends on the motive. You could call me wrong all day long, but if you are going to support my right to be wrong, then I would probably vote for you. One of the reasons I kinda like Alito (and I admit I haven't really researched him) is he appears to be a strict constitutionalist and a federalist, so we can disagree on everything else under the sun but he'll probably make the decisions I like in the court anyway.
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 2nd, 2006 05:39 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]procyon112 - Feb. 2nd, 2006 07:54 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - [info]goldfish42 - Feb. 3rd, 2006 07:21 am (UTC) - Expand
( 102 comments — Leave a comment )

Profile

Spooky Mary Pickford
[info]deliciouspear
Superpositional Reality Grenade
Website

Latest Month

May 2012
S M T W T F S
  12345
6789101112
13141516171819
20212223242526
2728293031  

Tags

Powered by LiveJournal.com
Designed by Tiffany Chow